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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained

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live on beyond explanation now i'm your

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host lon strickler

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coming to you within a cannon shot of

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historic gettysburg pennsylvania

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now uh before we get started i'm going

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so um this week i did receive

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another sighting from the chicago area

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now this was an older sighting but it's

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significant

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uh for a number of reasons but i'll go

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into that when i talk about it

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um i received a telephone call from a

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gentleman

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who i'll refer to as jd now he he

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uh called in regards to a wing bean

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sighting

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he had on on the september 5th 2011

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which was actually labor day

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this occurred during the same

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three-month period

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in 2011 when three previous wing

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being humanoid settings were reported on

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the

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mufon cms actually when our in

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our investigations next initially began

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so at approximately um 4 p.m central

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the eyewitness jd was getting off the

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metro

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at the intersection of south jeffrey

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boulevard east 67th street in jackson

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uh there was a mobile gas station and

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actually still there

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at that corner uh jd noticed unusual

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flying being

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approximately 100 to 120 foot above him

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adjacent to an apartment building in the

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vicinity

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so he describes the entity as black in

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color with bat like

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wings a small bulbas head and what seems

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to be tentacles

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extending from behind it now he states

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that it was definitely biological

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and seemed to be looking down at him and

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now he began to follow it at miss wick

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over jackson park and the golf course

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and as he continued to follow the entity

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into a stretch of trees

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the entity rolled and displayed what was

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he described as an emerald green light

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never flapped its wings which is

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standard for this this these sightings

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but flew up and down in altitude

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now he uh he also sensed that the

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entity was watching him as he chased it

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uh it would dip and turn towards him on

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and he but he never was able to

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determine the structure of the face

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now the wing being eventually turned

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towards lake michigan and quickly flew

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jd had very vivid and uh

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frightening dreams of the wing being

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flying towards him and displaying

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an al like head and face with large

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round amber eyes

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now he is positive that the entity knew

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he was following it and that wanted him

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remember the incident now this event has

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bothered jd

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since that day and on recently deciding

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to come forward and make a report so i'm

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glad it did because

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these historical sightings are important

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with our research

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and um it just proves that those three

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sightings back in 2011

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also had subsequent sightings as well so

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um yeah that's that's important for our

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research uh so i appreciate you

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contacting me so tonight

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i welcome bigfoot investigator

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researcher and author

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sharon eby to arcane radio now sharon is

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the author

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of bigfoot beyond belief a study and

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culture anthropology of what people

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believe

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about bigfoot sasquatch the book details

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examines what people believe about

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bigfoot

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sharon collected surveys and stories as

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as forwarding interview questionnaires

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to numerous bigfoot researchers

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and investigators her personal research

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investigating the culture of bigfoot

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and experiences now sharon is also

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a member of the phantoms and monsters 14

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research as an affiliate member

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so sharon thanks for coming on this

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evening

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thanks alan good to be here so let me

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ask you right off the bat

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what is what got you started into

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investigating bigfoot

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you know i was interested in the topic

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since i was you know in my youth and i

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used to read about bigfoot and ufos and

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all that stuff since since i was young

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however i the bigfoot itself actually

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getting involved took a sighting by my

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son when we were all camping in new

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mexico um

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we lived in el paso texas and uh we went

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north past las cruces to radium springs

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in new mexico and it was uh november i

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think of 2001

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and it was a cold windy dark night

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but there was a moon some moonlight and

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it was so cold that we decided to hang

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out in my mom's little

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camping trailer rather than the tents

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uh my son said i gotta go to the

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bathroom so he took off and

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and went out there i guess without a

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flashlight

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and um after five minutes or whatever it

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was

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he'd come running back in the door said

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hey i saw i saw a bigfoot i think i saw

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a bigfoot

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and we were like nah nah you know you're

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just telling stories

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and uh and he says no really and so my

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nephew who's a little bit older than him

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said i'll go with them i'll check it out

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so they take off and they're gone at

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least five minutes maybe up to ten

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um seven to ten minutes i guess

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and um then all of a sudden they're

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they're crashing through the door

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following over each other

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and screaming and and shut the door shut

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the door

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and get get in get in hurry shut the

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door and

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they're freaking out and they said there

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really was something out there

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and uh we were like oh you guys just

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went out there and made this story

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together just so you can you know

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and we were kind of hesitant to believe

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him and he says no really and my nephew

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takes my hand

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and puts it on his heart and he says it

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and it's just beating out of his chest

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and i'm just like okay that's a

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physiological reaction

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and this is some something's happening

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here it's not just

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you know them getting uh excited to tell

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a story

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so i said okay all right what what

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happened what'd you see what'd you hear

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so my son said when he went out the

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first time

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he was just standing by the arroyo now

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it's one of those deep gullies that's

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empty of water it's just dry because

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it's desert right it's right next to the

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mountain we were on the plateau and then

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there's a big

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arroyo and then the mountains beyond

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he's just peeing like next to the royal

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and he said that he saw in the moonlight

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a bipedal figure

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walking down the center of the arroyo

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down its length

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and it passed right by him and he said

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it was

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and had really broad shoulders

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and almost no neck and was super tall it

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was like

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to the top of the arroyo which you know

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those are pretty deep out there

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i think that one was i don't remember

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how deep it was but

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it might have been anywhere from eight

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to ten

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feet deep at least these were huge

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royals

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and so we were he said that's what he

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and then that's when he freaked out and

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took off and went to the trailer and

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then my nephew derek went out with him

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when they went back out they did i guess

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they were looking around and they were

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they went up to the royal but they

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didn't see anything and then they heard

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it down below

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somewhere down below not far from them

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um he said it was hard to see over the

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edge

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and they were too afraid to get too

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close to the edge because you know it

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was a little freaky for them

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but uh they heard all of a sudden this

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this pound and dragging

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sound and then a pound and dragging

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sound like a hand

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drag hit in the dirt and and uh like

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over and over

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and uh he said kind of like my nephew

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described it as

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kind of like a when a bull will pound

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the ground with its hoof

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and drag leg but he said there was

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no bulls out there and then all of a

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sudden it screamed

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and screamed like a warning sound to

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them and

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and he said it went right through them

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like through their entire being he said

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it didn't sound like an animal he's ever

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heard

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and he's didn't sound human either it

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was kind of like a

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mix between the two super loud

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and it went it reverberated his guts he

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said it felt like

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extremely low frequency was going

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through him

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and uh it just shook him up and they

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took off run and that's when they

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fell over each other trying to get in

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the trailer and so everybody was afraid

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like there was

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a there was like this sense of fear in

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the room you know how fear can become

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tangible

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like you can feel that energy in the

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room that's exactly how it was in that

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trailer after they told us this story

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and you it was you know they were like

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emanating fear like they could

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they were just too scared to go back out

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and um

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consequently now we didn't have any uh

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we didn't tell anybody we were just

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sitting out there like staying in the

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trailer

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hoping it would go away and not knowing

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what happened we didn't have any guts to

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go out back out after what what they

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experienced

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um but uh you know my my my dad's back

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home in el paso at that same time

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and he started now my dad's a christian

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minister so he started praying for us

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because he felt like something was wrong

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like we didn't tell him so i thought

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that was an interesting connection

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and i've never told anybody that before

326
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but um it was

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just interesting and so anyway my um

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my my son and my nephew you know

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they had this experience but i didn't

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know what to do with it i was like

331
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i had forgotten completely that years

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before my friend had told me

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about some minor big sightings in the

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franklin mountains of el paso out in the

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desert

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and i just didn't think about bigfoot in

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the desert you know he was supposed to

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be in the pnw he was supposed to be up

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in washington state in oregon and

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and other places but you know where

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there's like trees

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and water not the desert and uh

343
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not the dry climate so um i started

344
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asking round

345
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and uh did some research online i was

346
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like could this really be a bigfoot in

347
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the desert i just

348
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i just don't you don't hear about this

349
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too much and

350
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so i contacted the texas bigfoot

351
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research center

352
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and the bfro and and they said yeah yeah

353
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we've heard of

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the desert like that

355
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and i said well that's interesting and

356
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the bfro had an

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investigator call me and talk to my son

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and and talk to i can't remember if he

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talked to my nephew but he talked to my

360
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son and you talked to me

361
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and he made a report and it's on the

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website you know their websites at the

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bfro so

364
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um that's still there and uh so anybody

365
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could look it up if they wanted to

366
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and um that's really what started me

367
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researching and getting to know people

368
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in the community and

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kind of watching and listening and and i

370
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thought well i don't know if this is

371
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going to come up again

372
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but if it does you know maybe i'll do

373
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some more

374
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and it was 2003 i'm sitting at my desk

375
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in the uh in el paso

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and my nephew same nephew derek walks in

377
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and he throws the newspaper down in

378
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front of me and he says look at the

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headline

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and it was horizon cities monster

381
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and that was the el paso times newspaper

382
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and it had this

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drawn picture of a bigfoot and horizon

384
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city

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is just a small a small yep that's it

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a small uh town outside of el paso

387
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right south of where i lived so about 20

388
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minutes

389
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so i am i said well that's it

390
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i'm jumping in with both feet i i got to

391
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investigate this thing so i called the

392
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newspaper

393
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and got a hold of the journalist and

394
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asked

395
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for um the contact information

396
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to the lady that saw this bigfoot out in

397
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the desert

398
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and uh she said well yeah i can put you

399
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in touch

400
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because i can't give out her contact

401
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information i said that's great

402
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:23,839
so that's what we did i i um she

403
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contacted me and we went out and and

404
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and interviewed her and and asked i went

405
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,920
to see the site the exact mound where

406
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:33,519
she saw this bigfoot walk

407
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:36,399
over the mound and down and down and

408
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:37,759
down on the other side until

409
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,680
it disappeared and its head just kept

410
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:41,199
getting lower and lower like it went

411
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,240
into the ground

412
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and she said it must have happened where

413
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it it

414
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she swore up and down that it had to

415
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walk down into like a cave

416
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or some stairway on the other side of

417
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the mound

418
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:54,959
and you know these these mesquite mounds

419
00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:01,030
four or five feet high give or take and

420
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,600
uh

421
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:03,360
she just saw the head go down and down

422
00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:04,959
and down she says i had to disappear

423
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:06,639
down into there into the hole in the

424
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:07,680
ground because

425
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:12,160
some kind of cave or something and uh

426
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:14,160
we went back there we we found no

427
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,480
opening and so it was a mystery

428
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,920
we couldn't figure out this was broad

429
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:20,160
daylight that this happened

430
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:23,360
and um so

431
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,480
we just you know when i i have a habit

432
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,240
of whenever i make a report

433
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,560
that i i just tell it the way they say

434
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:32,720
it whatever it is that they say they see

435
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:34,320
it's really important to tell all those

436
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:35,279
details

437
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:39,040
because um you know going a big foot

438
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,320
going into the hole in the

439
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:42,560
ground in the ground that doesn't exist

440
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:44,240
that you can find

441
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:47,839
anyway um could be important and it did

442
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:50,560
it came back up later with the um

443
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:53,759
another sighting that you know about and

444
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:56,560
i'm sure you're going to ask me about

445
00:17:03,670 --> 00:16:57,199
yeah

446
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:03,680
phone call from

447
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,199
the witness and uh she claimed that she

448
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,199
had a physical contact

449
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:12,720
or physical attack by what a deserty

450
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:16,880
and uh it's good that i was looking for

451
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,079
somebody to

452
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:20,240
but i think what i had done was post it

453
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,600
on facebook

454
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,679
and bruce got a hold of me or you got a

455
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:24,720
hold of me i

456
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,000
i did yeah yeah yep

457
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:30,320
so uh why don't you tell us about that i

458
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:33,520
mean it fits right in with what you

459
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:36,960
had been investigating for years yeah

460
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:40,320
and the the bigfoot in the

461
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,919
in the desert area they'll have very

462
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:43,919
similar features and when when you

463
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,799
put me on this one it was actually i had

464
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:48,880
all this research behind me

465
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:52,000
so i kind of knew what to to ask her and

466
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:57,669
she said this is juliana perez is her

467
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:01,840
name and uh she was out

468
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,480
uh well let me back up you you you

469
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,799
posted it and i said ah i'm on it

470
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:09,120
i'm on that's my research area i i can

471
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,080
totally handle this

472
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,640
and and i called bruce dr bruce cornett

473
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,400
right away because he's still in el paso

474
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,480
and i am now in nova scotia

475
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:19,200
so i was a little far removed but um we

476
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:20,720
stayed on top of it

477
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,480
and uh him to call her and talk to her

478
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,640
and then also go out to the site where

479
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:28,960
she had this bigfoot attack

480
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:32,000
and um and you don't hear about bigfoot

481
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:33,679
attacks too often

482
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:36,320
and when you do it's it's disconcerting

483
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:37,280
because a lot of them

484
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:40,640
are you know so benign

485
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:43,760
uh but

486
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,880
this time it wasn't and uh she had

487
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,160
pictures

488
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,799
and of her legs where she had scrambled

489
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,240
through the brush

490
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:54,960
and trying to get away from this thing

491
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,320
but what happened

492
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,799
is uh that we found out and i didn't get

493
00:19:03,110 --> 00:18:59,760
to go until

494
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,120
um gosh just over a year ago um

495
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,760
so this was summer of 2019 when bruce

496
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,880
went out with her

497
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:10,000
and got to see the site and um

498
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i went out in

499
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:17,120
in early 2020 so about six months later

500
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or so

501
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seven months and um she showed me

502
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,160
how she and her husband and their

503
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,320
six-year-old little boy

504
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:29,679
had been east of horizon

505
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,880
city out in kind of out in the out near

506
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,080
the mountain

507
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and there's this place where there's a

508
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:37,360
big tree and

509
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,640
some runoff by the road where water

510
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,160
collects and runs off and

511
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and so you can you can see in some of

512
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the pictures there's a lot of

513
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tall mesquite bushes and some trees here

514
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:51,600
and there

515
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:55,039
and uh basically

516
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,160
she went out they went out to stargaze

517
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,480
and all three of them she and her

518
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,520
husband and her son

519
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,600
and they were they parked the car by on

520
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,200
the road right next to

521
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um kind of where the tree was the

522
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,640
largest tree

523
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:11,440
and she says i got to go to the bathroom

524
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,880
so she went out

525
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,960
around the tree by herself except she

526
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:16,320
had the dog with her

527
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,080
and she did what she needed to do and

528
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,320
when she was done the dog started

529
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,480
taking off down to the south along

530
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,240
parallel to the road but on the other

531
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side of the brush

532
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,559
so there was a lot of brush between the

533
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,880
road and where she was

534
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,559
um so you kind of had to walk around it

535
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,440
to get through but

536
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:40,400
uh she she was going after the dog she

537
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:41,440
was calling him and

538
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:45,760
and she caught up with him and she's

539
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:49,120
she said that she was

540
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,559
she finally caught up with the dog but

541
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:52,480
it was like looking down

542
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,919
towards the ground and

543
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,480
she she heard it whimper like the dog

544
00:21:04,630 --> 00:20:59,679
was

545
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,640
and it started to take off

546
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,799
and she looked and she saw a hole in the

547
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,360
ground several feet wide

548
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:12,159
and coming up out of it she just saw

549
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,200
like

550
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,400
the head of the

551
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:19,120
of this creature with all hair and its

552
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,000
hands

553
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:23,039
kind of beside its ears but palms facing

554
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:23,679
up

555
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:28,480
dirt but she didn't see any dirt in its

556
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:28,960
hands

557
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,480
just just this position and it started

558
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,440
rising up

559
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,640
and um i guess i guess

560
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,840
somewhere in there she also heard

561
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,320
breathing and

562
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,760
she said that she didn't want to wait it

563
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,520
was a very long slow

564
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,159
breathing noise and she didn't want to

565
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,919
wait for like a third breath she knew

566
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,200
she'd be dead

567
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,679
so she was she started getting oh man i

568
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,799
got to get out of here

569
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,960
she saw that and heard that and it

570
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,840
started coming

571
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,240
up out of the hole towards her and she

572
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,080
says ah that's it i got to get out of

573
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,840
here she turned around to run and it

574
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,039
come up behind her

575
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,679
and as she run it it reached out to

576
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,880
touch her

577
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,600
um and it just barely touched her lower

578
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:10,559
back

579
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,240
little bit

580
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,520
and um or forward i should say

581
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,440
and uh she was taken off running as this

582
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,720
was happening

583
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,120
and it left marks on her and she didn't

584
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,480
know that right away

585
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,559
she didn't even feel it except the light

586
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,720
touch but what happened later was

587
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,919
important and i'll tell you that in a

588
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,320
minute but she took off running

589
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,320
to the north to go back towards the tree

590
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:37,760
where she came from

591
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:41,039
and uh it was behind her and she wasn't

592
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,080
sure where to go

593
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,159
and the next thing she knew it was it

594
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,559
she thinks it ran around her

595
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,320
uh because then it was standing in front

596
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,159
of her in the only

597
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:53,200
opening between two trees and uh

598
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,799
or mesquite and um she wasn't sure how

599
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,840
she was gonna get past

600
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,880
it so she turned back again and we we

601
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
theorized later

602
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,000
maybe there was a second one because it

603
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,360
was suddenly in front of her

604
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,919
and it had to move like lightning to get

605
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,640
past her

606
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,400
and get around her so we weren't sure if

607
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,799
it was the same one or a different one

608
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,280
but so you know you leave all

609
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,799
possibilities open

610
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:19,919
but um and there's other hypotheses

611
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,320
about

612
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,840
you know how it could get from one place

613
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,360
the other faster than her

614
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,640
running or not um but it gets into the

615
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:28,240
paranormal and right now we just wanted

616
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,120
to treat it as

617
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,159
you know your standard flesh and blood

618
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,600
creature and um

619
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,520
it was so in front of her she turned

620
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,799
around and started going back

621
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,320
again towards the hole where she had

622
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,320
come from and uh

623
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,159
she didn't know where to go she was

624
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,919
trying to find an escape she went around

625
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,960
some brush and

626
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,640
under a mesquite tree and she was

627
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,279
crawling at this point it was behind her

628
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,400
and chasing her and uh it was

629
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,159
she said it was reaching out and trying

630
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,080
to grab at her legs

631
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,840
and she's pretty sure that it it

632
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,520
scratched her legs

633
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:04,080
um but there were also scratches from

634
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:04,799
the mesquite

635
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,919
so um she she kind of showed me in my

636
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,000
next book i'll have pictures showing

637
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:12,720
exactly which mark she was sure that was

638
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,039
it

639
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:16,240
versus the brush um right here in this

640
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,799
photo

641
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,720
that you're showing is you can't really

642
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,559
tell for sure i would get

643
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:23,760
that a lot of the the sideways kind of

644
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,360
scratches probably come from mesquite um

645
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,039
something trying to grab her from behind

646
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,039
might might make that

647
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,799
too but you're just not we're just not

648
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,640
sure so

649
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,919
anyway yuliana she's is trying to escape

650
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,600
this she had shorts on

651
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,679
so she's and it's dark and she's

652
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,720
screaming and her

653
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,640
her husband is freaking out because he

654
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,480
hears his wife screaming

655
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:49,039
uh babe babe where are you what's wrong

656
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,159
what's the matter and

657
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:53,039
and she says it's after me and and uh

658
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,919
it's

659
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:56,000
he's reaching through the brush from the

660
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,960
road

661
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,120
and trying to to reach out to her but

662
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,799
and she's trying to reach out to him but

663
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:02,400
they're like still two or three feet

664
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,120
apart

665
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:05,120
and they can't quite touch each other so

666
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,159
she decides to go

667
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
down through the other way and she heads

668
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,600
south again and then they finally find

669
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:11,200
an opening and he meets her at the

670
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,840
opening

671
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:14,960
following her screams and she's able to

672
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,919
escape out this little opening back to

673
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,720
the road

674
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:21,279
and they jump in the car and you know

675
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,080
the dog

676
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,640
by this time had gone way down the road

677
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:26,480
it took off when it when it whimpered

678
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,200
and first

679
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:29,679
left the dog went down the road it was

680
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,400
going home

681
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:33,039
it wasn't even it wasn't even going to

682
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,840
wait

683
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,000
or go to the car or anything it just

684
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,760
started taking off towards home miles

685
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,640
away

686
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:41,760
and they they got the dog and and the

687
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,000
little

688
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,400
boy was really scared because his mother

689
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,600
was screaming

690
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,600
and they got in the car and they took

691
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,520
off and and it was later

692
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,520
when she got home that she realized that

693
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:52,799
her back

694
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,240
was burning where it touched and they

695
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,840
took those pictures and you could see it

696
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,000
looks different than a bruise it's

697
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,120
it's reddish and she says it burned it

698
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,960
it burned so bad that it felt like it

699
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,799
went through to the bone

700
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,679
just deep deep and it burned for three

701
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,880
days

702
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:13,360
and until it faded you know the the

703
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,000
aching

704
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,200
from it took three days to fade and

705
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,919
uh and go away and she said it she stunk

706
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,679
she smelled like sulfur

707
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,200
even her hair smelled like sulfur

708
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,840
and uh she didn't know yeah and she had

709
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,400
ptsd like she was afraid to go outside

710
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:32,080
she didn't ever want to go stargazing

711
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,960
again

712
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,520
she was afraid that of that monsters

713
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,640
were out there and

714
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,559
and she did she felt it was really

715
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,960
important to tell her story that's why

716
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,679
she came

717
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,760
and started calling people she wanted

718
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,840
her story to be known because there's

719
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,360
things out there that could get people

720
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,640
you know get you

721
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,559
and she was really in fear for her life

722
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,880
it really did affect her in a negative

723
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,840
way

724
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,919
and uh i talked to her about that for a

725
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,440
while and um

726
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,679
and uh when i when i met with her and

727
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,880
her and her

728
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,440
husband and her son and we went out in

729
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,000
daylight and it was you know

730
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,760
quite a while later and she was with us

731
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,279
so she was able to go out there in the

732
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:10,400
daytime

733
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,919
um but and we looked and we never found

734
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:15,440
a hole in the ground and here we are

735
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,919
again

736
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,960
out near horizon city in a location just

737
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
miles up the road

738
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,559
um outside of horizon city that the

739
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,799
first sighting that i investigated was

740
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,960
very close to horizon city it was just

741
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,559
outside the city limits

742
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,320
and then uh this one was a little

743
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,320
further out towards the mountain

744
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,279
but on the same almost on the same road

745
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:37,440
just just off that same road

746
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,880
and um one

747
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,559
bigfoot was going down into a hole in

748
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,919
the ground that didn't exist and the

749
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,360
other one was coming out of a hole in

750
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,720
the ground that didn't exist we could

751
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,000
not find the hole

752
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,159
now it's possible that in six months or

753
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,000
seven months or whatever it was

754
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,399
that that it could have washed you know

755
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,799
there you could see clear

756
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,600
where uh clearly where the water had run

757
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:00,960
off the road

758
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,679
and and um it fills that whole area

759
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,480
and the grass is all pushed over all in

760
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:10,640
the same direction from the water

761
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,600
so it it floods through there and then

762
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:15,440
it runs off down into an arroyo further

763
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,240
down

764
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,679
and uh it uh it it's just

765
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,440
you know it's possible that if there was

766
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,360
a hole that it was

767
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,240
filled in we couldn't find really a

768
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,919
strong depression though

769
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:30,960
uh it's possible that it was re-buried

770
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,000
if there was a hole um and it's possible

771
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,360
that it was not a very

772
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,360
deep hole and it was laying flat rather

773
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:39,120
than coming up out in a standing

774
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,080
position

775
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:42,399
so that's a possibility too so we looked

776
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,360
at all those

777
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,039
things but um it was just

778
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,120
fascinating that she had physical

779
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,320
evidence a

780
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,600
picture of injuries and then i spoke

781
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,640
with her husband

782
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,640
and he verified the whole story he said

783
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,399
yeah i was i was trying to get to her i

784
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,320
was really scared i didn't understand

785
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,480
what was and then he said at one point

786
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,360
when he looked over

787
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:06,159
about the time when she was was was

788
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,640
running

789
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,960
up to to escape to the north towards the

790
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,760
big tree

791
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,760
she said that that he said that tall one

792
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,279
that was blocking

793
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:17,200
the her way that he saw that a black

794
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,320
shadow

795
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:21,440
a tall figure um and just saw it move

796
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:21,760
and

797
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,279
went

798
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,880
kind of towards her and she turned

799
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,320
around by that time

800
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,039
and uh so he saw that just barely but he

801
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:32,559
saw it in the moonlight

802
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,240
and um and

803
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,559
the little boy though i have to say

804
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,200
talking to him

805
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:44,080
was really convincing this really did

806
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:44,799
happen

807
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:48,799
i mean this is a child you know

808
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,720
of six and he was scared and i talked to

809
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,159
him a minute and i said do you

810
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,640
can you tell me he heard us all talking

811
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,159
about you know what it had transpired

812
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,440
there and i said can you tell me what

813
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,720
you remember

814
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,039
and he got really quiet and he put his

815
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,559
head down

816
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,799
and i said it's okay if you don't want

817
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,080
to tell me that's okay

818
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,480
he says i do want to tell you but i was

819
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,320
just really scared for my mom

820
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,559
and he started just about crying and

821
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:17,279
then i was gonna bawl so i just

822
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,200
i just have to poor thing

823
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,559
you know he's just so cute and um

824
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:27,440
it's just it was just so genuine and so

825
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,240
authentic

826
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,799
when you hear a child that was affected

827
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:32,080
because he thought he was going to lose

828
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,279
his mom that night

829
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,600
you know he's really scared for her and

830
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:36,720
his dad's screaming

831
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,320
to try to get her so you know

832
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:43,120
this happened whatever it was we don't

833
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,080
have fully

834
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,159
you know full all the answers but we

835
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,520
have an account

836
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,159
of something she saw scrape marks and

837
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,480
burn marks that occurred to her

838
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:55,039
and and you know how do you explain this

839
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:55,600
what is

840
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,720
yeah the burn marks that's that's

841
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,000
interesting

842
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,440
you know when i when she called me

843
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,840
i mean she was freaking i mean you know

844
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,360
i mean i was just lucky enough to get

845
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,640
the call

846
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,799
and i mean she was really freaking out

847
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,720
because quite frankly she had no idea

848
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,320
what was going on

849
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,320
and uh you know she was telling well i

850
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,679
got these marks i'm going to send it to

851
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,919
you right away and all this and that

852
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,640
i thought okay well you know look i i

853
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,640
had been to el paso before i know the

854
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,519
area

855
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,559
uh i had a friend use it was out

856
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,720
at fort hood and you know i know you

857
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,960
should across into mexico there whereas

858
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,000
and all but

859
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,840
i had never i you know i have heard

860
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,120
stories

861
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,880
but boy i was lucky to get a hold of you

862
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,240
and folks it's in the book

863
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,120
the book is fantastic it's it's a huge

864
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,279
book it's got everything in there

865
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,279
uh you know i don't think i've ever had

866
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,760
a more comprehensive big book book

867
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,720
it's over 500 pages it's a lot in there

868
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,039
but anyway

869
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,960
this uh you said took four years to

870
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:58,880
write this book

871
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,240
mm-hmm yeah that's a lot of work

872
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,559
but yeah and it's on my research before

873
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,000
that as well as

874
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,799
a lot of newer stuff though well that's

875
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,399
a lot of good stuff in there i mean it

876
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:11,679
really is

877
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,159
um is this the most aggressive

878
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,039
bigfoot encounter that you have heard of

879
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,789
probably not that i've heard of um but

880
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:25,919
investigated

881
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,919
um and to have physical evidence like

882
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:32,960
that

883
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:37,200
was intriguing compelling

884
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,279
yeah for sure and um

885
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,120
i i like i said we don't have any

886
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:45,360
answers we just have you know

887
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:52,549
you know jc johnson uh

888
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,840
used to tell me how aggressive these

889
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:56,640
bigfoot

890
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,720
in the in the desert are um you know

891
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,000
i i took a lot of that just you know

892
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,799
by his experiences i've talked to others

893
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,720
as well you know david weatherly used to

894
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,039
go out with him a few other researchers

895
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
but they said the same thing they seem

896
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,640
to be much more aggressive

897
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,559
than those beings that you encounter in

898
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,080
the woods and such

899
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:20,320
i don't know it's just because the rough

900
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,440
terrain and

901
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,760
you know it's uh it's a harder living

902
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,519
for them i don't know

903
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,919
but they he did tell me that he felt

904
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,320
they were much more aggressive

905
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,519
uh it's funny you had mentioned dr dr

906
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,240
chris dyer in there as well

907
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,679
he was involved with a lot of the

908
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,679
investigations with jc

909
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,000
especially the last couple years in and

910
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,240
around the uh the novelhood reservation

911
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:47,200
so you know i i will tell folks i mean

912
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,919
you you

913
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,159
described him in there as a good guy and

914
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,159
he is really he's a good investigator

915
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:54,559
and he's very he's also a professor at

916
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:55,360
uh

917
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,630
yeah is it was it yeah he's in gallup

918
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:03,279
yeah

919
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,639
so uh and you know he's uh he's another

920
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,040
one of these few scientists that

921
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:16,399
believe the phenomena and uh you know

922
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,349
it's interesting that you had

923
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:32,480
been involved with these this area and

924
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,119
then

925
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,399
something like this came up but uh it

926
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,159
kind of reinforces what you had

927
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,359
been writing about from the very

928
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,829
yeah it's um it's interesting

929
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,919
because i i have noticed a pattern

930
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,760
in in how they move through the desert

931
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,280
you said you know it's because of the

932
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,280
harsh environment um i had come to the

933
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,480
same conclusion

934
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:59,040
quite a while back um they tend to

935
00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:59,920
follow

936
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,359
mountain ranges and ways

937
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,640
you know and water water's kind of

938
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,040
scarce in the desert you know you can

939
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,870
you know open up a open up a cactus or

940
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,320
something but otherwise there's not a

941
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,520
lot of water out there

942
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,680
and you know you can dig in the right

943
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,640
places in the origins and

944
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,640
you can you can find wacos in the

945
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,400
mountains and

946
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,359
different different things but it's um

947
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,480
it's difficult

948
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,880
so it's there's with scarce water

949
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
resources

950
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,760
and a large body that would probably

951
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,920
require a lot more water

952
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,960
um they there was a in horizon city uh

953
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,079
there's a small lake

954
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,880
out there that was man-made and there is

955
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,000
a story you know

956
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,760
everybody out there says hey have you

957
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,359
heard about the bigfoot that they saw

958
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,200
drinking out of the lake it kneeled down

959
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,800
and was scooping water

960
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,720
and i'm like yeah i've heard that one

961
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,000
lots of times

962
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,720
and uh you know it's everybody knows

963
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,599
that story

964
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:04,400
and it's it's not surprising to me at

965
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,200
all because

966
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,119
they're they got a drink too i suppose

967
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,720
if they're if they're flesh and blood

968
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,839
and that's another big question there

969
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:15,599
there's another report i sent you back

970
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,240
into

971
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,000
back in july of 2020

972
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,880
of uh and this is kind of a strange

973
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:23,920
story

974
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,880
but this uh these small hairy hominids

975
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
that were observed

976
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
by these fossil hunters out in west

977
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,400
texas can you tell us a little bit about

978
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,760
that

979
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,640
oh my gosh it's been a while since i did

980
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,440
that one

981
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,760
um yeah it hit i think it was him and

982
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:40,960
his daughter went out

983
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,800
um it was in west texas and uh

984
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,720
uh if i remember right i'm trying to

985
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,119
remember the exact spot though

986
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,040
it was uh near fort stockton in the

987
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,800
davis mountains yes that's right and

988
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,960
they were hiking out by the mountains

989
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:57,119
and he showed me aerial photographs of

990
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,320
where they were

991
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:01,440
and um gosh i should pull that up

992
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,400
sometime and

993
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,920
look at it again because it's amazing

994
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:05,680
how much you forget with so much on your

995
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:06,000
mind

996
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:13,030
yeah and and my memory is not the

997
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,320
greatest but yes they

998
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,280
they saw these tiny short little hairy

999
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:18,960
hominids

1000
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,920
crazy sounding things just almost like

1001
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,720
you almost think they belong to the fae

1002
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,240
you know or the fairy realm but they

1003
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,040
look like little tiny hairy

1004
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:32,720
dudes i mean um almost like bigfoot

1005
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,640
kind of but not so it

1006
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,640
i don't even know what category to put

1007
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,400
them in but they were really short

1008
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,680
really small little guys uh yeah it was

1009
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,440
funny because when i talked to them they

1010
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,359
told me the um

1011
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,800
they you know they're out there fossil

1012
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,400
hunting and apparently they've gone out

1013
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,839
there alive

1014
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,079
but as they were you know they were

1015
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:55,920
looking and digging

1016
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,599
his the daughter i i believe saw this

1017
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,599
looked behind her and saw these things

1018
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,200
in a group

1019
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,599
and it must been a fairly decent

1020
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,480
distance

1021
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,400
but as soon as she looked at them they

1022
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,640
started dispersing they ran off

1023
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,400
right they did congregated again

1024
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,960
they turned around and then when they

1025
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,160
looked back in then they

1026
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,839
started scattering again it's the

1027
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,440
damnedest thing

1028
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,079
but uh you know i'm like you know i i

1029
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,760
have no idea what these things were i

1030
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,280
mean they thought

1031
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,760
they were a little bigfoot or you know

1032
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:31,200
littlefoot or what do you want to call

1033
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,079
them sometimes

1034
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,960
hairy hominin but i had no idea what

1035
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,520
that was

1036
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,599
that's the first time i heard that i

1037
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,200
i've heard of them before but

1038
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,359
i'd never have you when before that had

1039
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,720
actually seen them

1040
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,960
yeah i've heard stories of them but uh

1041
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,160
never out there

1042
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,480
and never personally you know spoken

1043
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,599
with someone until that

1044
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,640
until that case but um that was

1045
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,000
fascinating they did they

1046
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,079
they would make little noises and i if i

1047
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,640
remember right and they kind of like

1048
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,079
i don't know if they were laughing or

1049
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,680
snickering or what they were doing or

1050
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,760
joking maybe they were juveniles i'm not

1051
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,440
sure what they were but they were acting

1052
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,280
very juvenile-like

1053
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,920
um dispersing and trying to hide and

1054
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,680
then coming back together and following

1055
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:12,960
them they followed them

1056
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,000
quite a ways back on the trail

1057
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,680
so they saw them when they were almost

1058
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,040
out towards the end

1059
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,599
and then they kept going and then they

1060
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,200
turned around and started heading back

1061
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,800
and they followed them three quarters of

1062
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,589
hiding and dispersing and coming back

1063
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,839
and yeah

1064
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,000
that sounds like something when you talk

1065
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,920
about faye or gnomes or something like

1066
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,480
that

1067
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:38,560
where they they noticed you were looking

1068
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,790
yeah that's that's weird anyway you know

1069
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,800
let me ask you this

1070
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:51,920
now you since you got involved with the

1071
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,480
investigating bigfoot and harry hominids

1072
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,680
uh how's it affected you has it changed

1073
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,599
your life uh

1074
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:04,319
i you know it's it's funny and and i can

1075
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,200
talk about liminality now

1076
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,880
liminalization is is when someone has a

1077
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,640
liminal experience

1078
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,920
they're usually in between

1079
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,040
two two statuses like let's say from

1080
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,440
unbeliever to believer that's just one

1081
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,400
example

1082
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,000
of many um but you could go from

1083
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,440
someone who doesn't believe in bigfoot

1084
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,599
at all and then

1085
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,800
you have this experience let's say and

1086
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,520
it changes you like it affects you and

1087
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,280
you start researching it and you talk to

1088
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,720
other people who have had similar

1089
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,000
experiences and

1090
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,240
get some things verified and confirmed

1091
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,400
and at least in your mind right

1092
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:45,040
and you go through this process of like

1093
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,079
well i don't believe

1094
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:49,280
to oh my god what just happened and what

1095
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,160
was that

1096
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,160
and you start researching and finding

1097
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,480
out more as much as you can

1098
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,960
and you you then you become you know you

1099
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,599
kind of join

1100
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,560
groups of people and you you have shared

1101
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,520
information

1102
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:04,079
so lots of cultural sharing going on and

1103
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,880
then

1104
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,960
at in the end there's this point where

1105
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,079
you turn and you

1106
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,280
and you become a believer let's say and

1107
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,839
at that point your liminal experience is

1108
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,760
over because you've you've switched

1109
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,520
it's called trans tribalism you switch

1110
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,040
from one tribe to the other you've gone

1111
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,560
from unbeliever to believer

1112
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:23,119
and this liminal state is that middle

1113
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,160
state where

1114
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,319
you're it's everything's changing and

1115
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,839
you're growing and you're learning

1116
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,520
things and you don't quite know where

1117
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,880
you belong

1118
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,040
um and you don't belong to either group

1119
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:34,880
anymore you know like

1120
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,800
in this stuck in and me i'm stuck there

1121
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,839
i ride the fence i am neither a believer

1122
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,440
nor an unbeliever i take

1123
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,640
i'm very open-minded and but i think

1124
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,000
hard about things and

1125
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,599
um i think critically and and i i

1126
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,440
observe and i pay attention and when i

1127
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,680
even when i investigate something

1128
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,319
i try to consider everything from flesh

1129
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,839
and blood to paranormal to

1130
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,960
to whatever um

1131
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,359
alien off-world interdimensional all of

1132
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,400
it you just have to

1133
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,319
you have to keep an open mind because as

1134
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,599
soon as you say

1135
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,800
it's one thing or another you've boxed

1136
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,440
it

1137
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,119
and then you're not open to anything

1138
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,880
else except that interpretation

1139
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:21,760
yeah and so i i don't want to be there i

1140
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:22,079
i

1141
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,000
and not

1142
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,400
maybe i'm afraid i'll miss something if

1143
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,079
i try to box it and say oh yeah it's

1144
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,359
this or that

1145
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,200
and i and i think as an investigator

1146
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,640
it's very important that i

1147
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,640
don't do that i don't want to just say

1148
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,400
oh yeah you're right or oh yeah you're

1149
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:45,200
or you're wrong when you know it may not

1150
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,319
be the case

1151
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:49,040
so i i listen and i pay attention but i

1152
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:49,520
do

1153
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:53,040
uh analyze a lot and um especially when

1154
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,359
i'm

1155
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,359
interviewing people i even use nlp

1156
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,560
techniques

1157
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,880
um neuro linguistic programming so i

1158
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,240
watch where they're pulling in from

1159
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,000
information from their brain i see how

1160
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,440
they're wired i

1161
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,440
see if they're pulling from feeling if

1162
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,280
they have feelings about something or if

1163
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,960
they're pulling from auditory memory or

1164
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:09,920
construct

1165
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,240
you can kind of you can you can tell if

1166
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,040
someone's had a real experience

1167
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,640
based on if they're pulling from their

1168
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,040
memory um or not

1169
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:26,160
now if someone tells a story and it's

1170
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,720
false

1171
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,960
and if they're hoaxing and they tell it

1172
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,720
long enough that they actually begin to

1173
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,599
believe it

1174
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,920
then you can't tell the difference um

1175
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,760
but generally if someone just came up

1176
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,720
with something they're

1177
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,560
they're gonna tell on themselves if

1178
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:41,119
they're if they're lying it's gonna show

1179
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
it's gonna show in a handwriting

1180
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,160
analysis it's gonna show in their

1181
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,280
in their speech and uh and the things

1182
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,640
they say and where they're pulling

1183
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,160
information from in their head

1184
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,599
and so i look at all of that when i

1185
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,800
interview people um so

1186
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:57,040
you know most people that talk to me

1187
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,160
don't realize that

1188
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,880
i just use these techniques quietly and

1189
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,440
um

1190
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:03,119
just because i have experience with them

1191
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:04,560
and some training

1192
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,319
so it's it's probably good to have that

1193
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,599
when you're in the field and

1194
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,960
and doing uh uh investigations i'd say

1195
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,960
and talking with you know people

1196
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,720
interviewing them but uh

1197
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:19,599
um otherwise in the end you know it only

1198
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,920
get

1199
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,520
there it's kind of like anecdotal

1200
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,280
evidence you have stories

1201
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,800
you have people that tell stories and

1202
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,480
this is what happened to them

1203
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,560
and that's their interpretation of it

1204
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,800
you know the lady the first lady

1205
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,119
cecilia mangenies and that is a pen name

1206
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,839
she never wanted me to give out her real

1207
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,280
name cecilia montagne is the one that

1208
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,960
saw the bigfoot walk

1209
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,880
over the mound and down and down and

1210
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,560
down into the ground

1211
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,480
that was her interpretation of what she

1212
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,720
saw we don't know if it walked into the

1213
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,760
ground

1214
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,920
she just saw the head get lower and

1215
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,920
lower and lower behind the mound until

1216
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,240
it

1217
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,640
just got like you know three or four

1218
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,319
feet tops

1219
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,160
and maybe a little lower than that um

1220
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,839
and then just was gone

1221
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,520
you know was it trying to get on its

1222
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,359
knees and laying down and pretending

1223
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,520
it was going into the ground or did it

1224
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,680
actually go in the ground we don't know

1225
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,839
so we have to you have to kind of look

1226
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,359
at everything but

1227
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,800
you know that that's if you're trying to

1228
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,800
decipher what really happened

1229
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,800
and uh i just think it's really

1230
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,880
important to to write everything down

1231
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,079
when you make a report

1232
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,440
because you don't know what might be

1233
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,280
important later

1234
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,040
you know we'll start getting all these

1235
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,839
other um

1236
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,240
things that start showing patterns uh

1237
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,440
one of the patterns that i

1238
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:34,319
discovered when i was doing my research

1239
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,800
between

1240
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,440
uh west texas and southern new mexico i

1241
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,280
was in the sacramento mountains a lot

1242
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,240
um up near mescalero uh apache indian

1243
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,240
reservation i have friends up there

1244
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,880
i've lived uh you know i i've lived near

1245
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,680
there for

1246
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,920
for 23 years when i lived in el paso i

1247
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,440
was going up there and

1248
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,640
um camping and and we met with the bfro

1249
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,000
group one time up there and met

1250
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,240
moneymaker and all those guys and

1251
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,680
um uh i met one of one of my informants

1252
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,480
um that had had a bigfoot portal

1253
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:05,760
experience and his

1254
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,480
his uh stories in my book too but um

1255
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,720
one of the features that was really

1256
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,800
common in the southwest

1257
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,880
bigfoot the desert apes is what i call

1258
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,560
them and my next book will be named that

1259
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:19,760
desert apes

1260
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:27,349
that their hair was a certain color and

1261
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,319
then there were

1262
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:31,040
two additional colors mixed in and it

1263
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,079
was the same

1264
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,800
every time it was usual anytime someone

1265
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,000
saw it in the day

1266
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,400
the hair was almost black but not quite

1267
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,160
it was a very dark brown

1268
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,640
and then on top of that there was a

1269
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,319
reddish hue

1270
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:47,040
and then at the very ends of the hairs

1271
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:47,520
they

1272
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,040
white but

1273
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,920
faded like they like sun bleached kind

1274
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:54,960
of faded

1275
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:58,160
and that was a common feature from the

1276
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,599
witnesses

1277
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,599
throughout the southwest area where i

1278
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,800
investigated

1279
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,560
and these people did not know each other

1280
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,160
and i and i didn't

1281
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,960
always tell that information but there

1282
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,040
was one piece of information that i kept

1283
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,720
off the internet um and that was that

1284
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,920
they all said

1285
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,480
unanimously that there was this really

1286
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,319
long hair under the forearm

1287
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,880
i mean the same broad shoulders the same

1288
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,720
you know short neck the same hairy

1289
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,040
everywhere the three colors in the hair

1290
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,319
um but

1291
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,480
this long hair in the forearm was

1292
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:34,720
something that i did not publicize

1293
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,480
and it was in all of them too so

1294
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,240
and i couldn't find the information when

1295
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,920
i looked online

1296
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,680
trying to find other sightings that were

1297
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,680
similar and i couldn't find too much out

1298
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,240
there like that at all

1299
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,880
so i thought that was really interesting

1300
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,000
but that kept showing

1301
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,319
up so to me these this is you know

1302
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,599
anecdotal evidence

1303
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,640
is people stories and that's not always

1304
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,200
necessarily the truth but it if you get

1305
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,960
enough of it it starts pointing to the

1306
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,599
truth

1307
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:06,559
and so i i feel that there's some weight

1308
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,040
there

1309
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,040
with anecdotal evidence when when you

1310
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,200
start finding patterns

1311
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:14,000
so yeah you know i'm kind of in the same

1312
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:14,720
boat i

1313
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,319
you know when i had my sighting in 81

1314
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,319
i i you know i had heard of bigfoot of

1315
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,599
course you heard a bigfoot that was

1316
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:23,920
about the time when the uh

1317
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,190
down in arkansas you know the fountain

1318
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,400
monster

1319
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,440
and um

1320
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:37,359
you know i saw this thing it thing was

1321
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,720
closed to me

1322
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,800
um thank god it didn't scream at me my

1323
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,079
lord i i you know

1324
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,880
but it was bad enough but i i'm looking

1325
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,359
at this thing not knowing what it was

1326
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:50,000
looked more human than it did ape but

1327
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,200
anyway

1328
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,319
i um i really didn't know what i was

1329
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,079
looking at

1330
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,640
you know and as years went by and i

1331
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,000
started getting more and more involved

1332
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,520
because look that's what put me over the

1333
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,800
edge as far as

1334
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,720
starting to get encrypted because you

1335
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,400
know i was just i was actually a

1336
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,079
paranormal investigator just doing

1337
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,079
hauntings and such before that

1338
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,800
but since i had that experience i wanted

1339
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,200
to

1340
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,720
roy went head

1341
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:19,760
first into it but then this thing came

1342
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,400
up about

1343
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:22,480
is this are these things real is this an

1344
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,599
actual being

1345
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,720
was this something that i just

1346
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,720
thought formed something and maybe i

1347
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,440
manufactured my mind or such

1348
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,680
but you know with all the the stuff that

1349
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,240
subsequently happened with my sighting

1350
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,400
i was pretty convinced that i did

1351
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,240
definitely see something

1352
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,640
but you know as years gone by and i've

1353
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,160
talked to people

1354
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,280
you know it it it's it's pretty clear

1355
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,440
that

1356
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,319
bigfoot in general does fall into two

1357
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,319
categories i believe i believe there is

1358
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,319
a flesh and blood

1359
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,440
that is indigenous to degree and then

1360
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,480
there's a flesh and blood that somehow

1361
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,640
is able to possibly move between

1362
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,680
realities or just

1363
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,960
somehow is supernatural you know

1364
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:13,119
because the evidence is there from what

1365
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,400
you know and like you said

1366
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,000
it's anecdotal most of it there's

1367
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:17,760
nothing really

1368
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,960
to prove that correct but

1369
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:23,520
after all the hundreds and thousands of

1370
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,160
tales

1371
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,920
and stories and such it's pretty

1372
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:29,920
conclusive that there's something out

1373
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:30,319
there

1374
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:33,920
that we really don't understand

1375
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,230
you just don't know if if it's

1376
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,470
some people say mass delusions or

1377
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,920
hallucinations even

1378
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,240
and but there's more to it than that

1379
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,160
because there's individuals that have

1380
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,880
completely unique experiences but

1381
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,000
there's these features these

1382
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,079
core features that are common and you

1383
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,079
know you start getting into archetypes

1384
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,760
and you're wondering you know how much

1385
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,839
is locked up in our dna and maybe we're

1386
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,920
seeing something from the past or

1387
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,920
that's you know whatever i mean there's

1388
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,280
just so many

1389
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,359
hypotheses out there about what this

1390
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,520
could be especially when you start going

1391
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,240
into

1392
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,359
flesh and blood versus paranormal

1393
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,559
or you know is it alien or

1394
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,599
or is it a pet of the aliens or is it an

1395
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,200
interdimensional being

1396
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:26,240
or you know are they creating portals do

1397
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:26,960
they have

1398
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,599
science and scientific you know

1399
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,880
technology

1400
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,760
beyond ours we just don't know it seems

1401
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,400
odd

1402
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:37,599
that you know it's it's not like they

1403
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:37,920
look

1404
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,079
a hominid you know or an ape-like with a

1405
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,599
lot of ape-like features

1406
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,680
and you know there's some hominids or

1407
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,160
hominins even that have um

1408
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,119
ape-like features the um the the the

1409
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,079
small the hobbit from the isle of flores

1410
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,559
you know the those those fossils that

1411
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,240
they found of these small

1412
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,520
three foot high little people

1413
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:06,800
had wrist bones that are apes more like

1414
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,280
an ape

1415
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,800
than a than a person you know than a

1416
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:10,559
human and um

1417
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,000
neanderthal who who mixed genetically

1418
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:17,280
with with homo sapiens you know

1419
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,559
um up until about 24 to 28 000 years ago

1420
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,760
when they died off

1421
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:24,960
they have they had hot neanderthal had

1422
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,920
rib cages that are much more ape-like

1423
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:28,960
more conical

1424
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:32,240
and humans have a barrel chest you know

1425
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,960
barrel-shaped

1426
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,599
chest cavity and uh their sinuses are

1427
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,520
completely different and like it's it's

1428
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,280
just amazing they're short and stocky

1429
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,960
people say oh bigfoot was a neander

1430
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:43,040
or neanderthal was a bigfoot and i'm

1431
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,079
like no

1432
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,800
no no they were much more like us in in

1433
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,640
their side they're shorter than us in

1434
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,920
fact and in most

1435
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,640
your average human today um they were

1436
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,720
shorter than us so you know five fighter

1437
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,520
five five or less maybe but very stocky

1438
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,040
and made for cold weather

1439
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,960
and you know we don't know exactly how

1440
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,079
hairy they were but

1441
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,960
uh i don't i don't see that um not when

1442
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,480
you look at the evidence

1443
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,480
um yeah these things that people are

1444
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,079
saying are not neanderthals they may

1445
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,400
look like and they're thought like

1446
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,119
uh you know are somewhat human but they

1447
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,800
are not human and they are not

1448
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:19,200
neanderthal they're something completely

1449
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,160
different

1450
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,839
yeah they are you know they have a lot

1451
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,680
more ape-like features too

1452
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,400
yeah you know i i the one thing i really

1453
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,319
found fascinating about your book was

1454
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,359
your belief studies um

1455
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,280
you know the demographics you used and

1456
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:35,280
it's intense i mean it's

1457
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,599
it's extensive as well i mean it's uh

1458
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,920
it's something you don't see too often

1459
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,160
in a book about bigfoot

1460
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,040
yeah and my my goal was to study the

1461
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:49,119
believers in bigfoot rather than bigfoot

1462
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:49,920
itself

1463
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:53,040
yeah yeah yeah and that that's unusual

1464
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,440
but

1465
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:56,960
it it's it's profound i mean

1466
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,400
i mean the the range of uh answers that

1467
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,240
you received

1468
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,079
i mean what did you get out of it what

1469
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,200
did you discover by doing that

1470
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,240
wow you know that there is a whole gamut

1471
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:13,839
of information that people believe

1472
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,880
things that just don't mesh together

1473
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,359
some are absolute believers in you know

1474
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,440
you got the disbelieving skeptics

1475
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,839
and say you know they they call

1476
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,599
themselves bigfoot researchers

1477
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,680
um but they don't believe in bigfoot at

1478
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,119
all and i i

1479
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,760
that it's perplexing to me but why they

1480
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,400
keep going

1481
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,800
except maybe to try to disprove it and

1482
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,160
you know there's a certain

1483
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,200
to a certain degree when you're

1484
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,119
skeptical you're supposed to falsify

1485
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,799
information but not to the point where

1486
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,920
your belief

1487
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,680
uh or disbelief which is a form of

1488
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,839
belief um overrides

1489
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,880
uh logic or evidence and um

1490
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,440
anyway the the there's you know there

1491
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,920
was 23 bigfoot researchers that i did a

1492
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,000
semi-structured survey with

1493
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,520
um you know and and they i asked them

1494
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:02,000
seven questions you know all the same

1495
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:02,559
questions

1496
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,000
open-ended for the most part and uh

1497
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,319
it was their answers were fascinating

1498
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,240
and then i analyzed their cosmologies

1499
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,359
the things that they

1500
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,760
probably believe when it comes to the

1501
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,119
world the universe

1502
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,440
you know and what it what is the world

1503
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:19,200
how was it made how did we get here and

1504
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,720
what is our place in it

1505
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,640
you know that's our cosmology we all

1506
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,400
have a cosmology whether it's

1507
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,599
science or religion or whatever

1508
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,680
of how everything was made but i go into

1509
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,280
those and i go to the native and

1510
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,040
historical accounts

1511
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,559
and lots of surveys on facebook

1512
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,319
and a 300 person bigfoot believers in

1513
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,079
particular survey

1514
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,680
um you know asking people their

1515
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,160
political backgrounds and their religion

1516
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,160
and i just there were patterns that i

1517
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,079
had seen in the field

1518
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,160
and talking to people and i just wanted

1519
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,599
to see if that showed up

1520
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,680
again in an official survey of just

1521
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,839
bigfoot believers and sure enough

1522
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:00,160
i found that pattern and i talked about

1523
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,040
that in the book

1524
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:04,720
yeah yeah it's an interesting study

1525
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,240
i mean it's it's it's really detailed

1526
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,200
and uh i i just i just found it

1527
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:12,880
fascinating

1528
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,760
uh look folks this book is is really

1529
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,799
really unbelievably good it really is

1530
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,680
it's it's titled bigfoot beyond belief

1531
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,880
uh sharon eby is the author and

1532
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,400
this is your first book you're talking

1533
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:30,000
about doing a second one now too

1534
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,000
right i have three in this one

1535
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,760
yes uh the next one will be on the

1536
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,440
desert apes and the one after that will

1537
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,799
definitely start including the

1538
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,559
paranormal in ufos

1539
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,000
and such well you know i was telling you

1540
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,640
about a habituation up in nova scotia i

1541
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,079
was involved with

1542
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,400
and there was definitely ufo activity

1543
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,559
involved with that as well

1544
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,640
so you know you were talking about stan

1545
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,839
gordon and i

1546
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:58,640
and uh you know stan you know he

1547
00:57:04,309 --> 00:56:59,359
believes that

1548
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,319
100 i do as well you know the paranormal

1549
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,240
phenomena in general they're all

1550
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,640
connected i mean it's

1551
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,760
you know we don't have we don't have all

1552
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:13,040
the knowledge now

1553
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,280
but it's pretty hard to deny

1554
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,079
that many of these genres of paranormal

1555
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,240
are not connected

1556
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,480
it is after a while you start collecting

1557
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,000
the evidence and seeing the big

1558
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:28,799
patterns and it is very hard to deny

1559
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,380
that's for sure

1560
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,839
[Music]

1561
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:34,079
so sharon you're welcome to come on

1562
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,880
anytime

1563
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,440
like like i said before you're an

1564
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,440
affiliate with fans of monsters 14

1565
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:40,960
research

1566
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,319
and uh i look forward to the next book

1567
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:46,640
this one was really insightful

1568
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:51,520
i i do ask people to go out and get this

1569
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,839
it's it's very good so uh

1570
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,160
you know once again you ever want to

1571
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:00,480
come on all you got to do is let me know

1572
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,160
okay might do that okay no problem

1573
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:05,920
thanks again it was a good show i really

1574
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:08,480
enjoyed it thanks a lot a lot of fun

1575
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,839
you take care thank you

1576
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,480
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1577
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,160
setting feel free to contact me through

1578
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,319
the pharms of monsters blog site

1579
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,960
i once again thank sharon eb for joining

1580
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,559
me this evening

1581
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,040
and thanks to each and all of you for

1582
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:27,280
watching and chatting

1583
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,400
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1584
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,359
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1585
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,640
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1586
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,440
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1587
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,839
until next week stay healthy and have a

1588
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:43,200
safe and enjoyable weekend

1589
00:58:52,670 --> 00:59:05,300
[Music]

1590
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:16,829
[Applause]

1591
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:30,829
so